How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. The District Attorney got this one right. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! A correction to the comment above. Why not question some of this evidence? Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points.
Murdering Mother Hidden Face of Honor Killing Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. she didnt need to . Lie detectors are pseudo science. Highly charged case.
Patricia A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. Or did they? Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). How would an intruder find it? Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? It might have said no root but could have been wrong. If the answer is no, enough said! Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! 2023 FOX Television Stations, Rockwall-Heath coach resigns after school workout investigation, Things to do this weekend in Dallas-Fort Worth: March 3-5, Dallas 14, 15-year-olds charged with murder, Prosper man who shot neighbor's pit bull will not face charges, Watch: New video from Hubble space telescope captures asteroid-smashing debris from successful DART mission, New street drug 'tranq dope,' rots skin, turns humans into 'zombies', 3 children killed, 2 hurt in Italy, Texas, Biden has cancerous skin lesion removed from chest, doctor says, Severe weather video and photos from around North Texas, Suspected North Texas scented candle thieves allegedly stole $27,774 worth of items. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Nine. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Its nine minutes into the video. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". 5 years prior to all this happening! In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). Have you read the book? And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder.
Patricia And Mark McCloskey Who Waved Guns At BLM Protesters ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. We've received your submission. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Look into it. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Its barely visible in the picture. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. Meticulous primping. (A good point.
Patricia And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Sad discovery. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83.
The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. New state, new man. Theres speculation and theres lies period. The trial was taking so much of my time. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. The real killer is Rorrer! Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! More hairs there. Puny policy. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. Both wanted to be doctors. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Have you read the book? Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Allen Prue told police he and his wife "wanted somebody they could play with," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren has said. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. No explanation given. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. Then you claim this is an opinion. Deal refused. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. . Jealousy was the motive. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? The women testified last week. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. [emailprotected].
The story of Patricia - The Vivid Faces of the Vanished | Facebook And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. You murdered your girls," she said. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. You are absolutely right. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. You know whats interesting? I wanted to get out of there.. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. Thats my life.. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. None. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation.
Said The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Pal stays true. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. You took my family all in one night," she said. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. She is the one who tricked them, first by And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document.
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